As part of the government deal, PokerStars did not admit to wrongdoing and will be allowed to apply to once again offer online poker for real money if and when the U. makes it legal. PokerStars said it plans to relaunch Full Tilt in most markets as a separate brand operated out of Dublin, Ireland.

The settlement with the Justice Department prevents PokerStars from hiring on Raymond Bitar, Howard Lederer, Rafael Furst, Chris Ferguson, and Nelson Burtnick — all Full Tilt honchos who are either named in criminal indictments or civil laundering cases related to the case.

attorney Preet Bharara had stronger words. Most likely, they will have to apply to the Justice Departments for the money. PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker reopen -- but not for play. Three largest online poker sites indicted and shut down by FBI. Founder of online gambling site Full Tilt Poker arrested in N.

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March 2, March 1, De Los. En Español. Times Everywhere. For Subscribers. All Sections. Furthermore, look at the 'players online' numbers at PokerStars: 12, Back when I played there in ''06 there were always over , players online every time I went there and in at their peak they reached , What the heck happened to the popularity of online poker???

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Quote: Originally Posted by ejames you hardly see them because they mostly succeeded off the backs of full tilt money. Gzesh View Profile Send Message Find Posts By Gzesh Find Threads By Gzesh. Quote: Originally Posted by jbouton. There is a special significant and relevant nuance to understand, which wouldn't have been as relevant in the time of the writing, from the wealthofchips: Why Mt Gox Scandal is Comparable to Online Poker’s Black Friday Spoiler:.

For poker it was the players money they left on the sites and didn’t withdrawal on a daily basis, and for mtgox it was the bitcoin not withdrawn on a daily averaged basis.

We can notice that may very well be how a common man becomes a common criminal by telling themselves that in the long run they won’t actually be stealing, since they intend on putting the money back after using it. So it seems then like it’s greed that brought about the criminal and immoral behaviour.

And it has always seemed to be that it happened in an unnatural way as if a third party or invisible hand accelerated the process by which the ponzi’s schemes would be dried up. These seemingly intelligent ‘crooks’ had ample opportunity to keep their ponzi schemes going and had no reason to bleed the golden goose dry.

In the poker world the DOJ came and ‘rescued’ the players. We know poker stars and full tilt were becoming the coke and pepsi of the industry and we know full tilt with a proper brand image or a proper backing such as a giant site that ‘rescued’ the players, would be an immediately profitable business.

So ‘effectively’ the game was being raked at an accelerated rake. What we don’t have is any numbers to this effect, but what we do have is the ability to notice that we don’t have these numbers. Quote: Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks. Join Date: Dec Posts: 13, Quote: Originally Posted by Gzesh.

which happened for Absolute Poker players in the absence of a white knight. Isai otoh was the strongest thing poker had in its favor back when he ran Stars. Never shut off play, never missed a player cashout, never stiffed a vendor, and it evolved as a gaming operator after I left the poker business.

Last edited by ScotchOnDaRocks; at PM. A relatively salient point, Full Tilt began kiting check and sitting on credit card deposits they could not process. They were unwilling to come clean and were competing with PokerStars for market share. That was not a business that was "well-run".

Quote: A surprisingly large number of FT customers never actually paid for their chips prior to the shut down, as their payments were never processed.

The site's huge shortfall on funding "player liability" was part was due to unprocessed deposits. Quote: The bailout of FT players by Stars was part of the deal of the century, with worldwide implications, but it did not give Stars a quick US return.

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JackBurton View Profile Send Message Find Posts By JackBurton Find Threads By JackBurton. Join Date: Jul Posts: Quote: Originally Posted by Punker. Popularity has fallen off, but it's also in part because so many countries have gone closed liquidity. If you look in and the main global Stars site, you've got the whole world there.

Now, you don't have Russia, Italy, Germany, Spain, France, the USA, Ontario in Canada, and probably more I'm forgetting. Quote: Originally Posted by agoo Lederer tried to return to the WSOP a few years ago, then just gave up.

Ferguson came back and has cashes as recent as three years ago, but not sure if he is still playing. Lindgren was disgraced after being caught making large bets with individuals in which he didnt have the money and racked up huge debts. Gowen fell off the face of the earth after the Full Tilt lawsuit, and there were some bizarre rumors floating around about how she was caught running a sex trafficking scheme huh?

If you google her, you will find that she was helping promote some small time poker site as of a couple of years ago. Phil Gordon left poker completely and is running some tech business.

Not sure what happened to the rest. A lot of them are in their 50s, and even 60s at this point, and probably just moved on to other things, or at least stopped being able to trick people into lending them money. PointlessWords View Profile Send Message Find Posts By PointlessWords Find Threads By PointlessWords.

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Join Date: Apr Posts: 1, Quote: Originally Posted by PointlessWords. borg23 View Profile Send Message Find Posts By borg23 Find Threads By borg Join Date: Nov Posts: 14, It's amazing what degenerates some of these idiots were and that they somehow thought the gravy train of making a few hundred k a month for nothing was sustainable.

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This is where champions are born, and you could be next. You'll also find rules and hand rankings for Texas Hold'em, Omaha and other poker games.

Practice your skills with Play Money or join real money games. There's no better place to learn and play poker. PokerStars is home to the best online poker events.

Every year we run the best online tournament series in the world. We also host the best weekly tournaments, plus many more every day of the week.

With a game starting every second, PokerStars is the only place to play tournament poker online. PokerStars is the only place where you can watch and play against Team PokerStars Pro - our group of elite pro players.

Between them they have scores of World Series bracelets, EPT and WPT titles and more, adding up to millions in winnings. You can't go wrong at either site. ROUND 4 WINNER:.

ROUND 5 Ring Games. ROUND 5 WINNER:. ROUND 6 Games. Full Tilt Poker offers a nice variety of poker games including HO, HORSE, HEROS, HOSE, RAZZ and Omaha games on top of all the various Hold'em games available. PokerStars does offer more in terms of a variety of games including 5 Card Draw, Badugi, HORSE, HEROS, HOSE, Mixed Games, Razz, Single Draw Lowball and Triple Draw Lowball ROUND 6 WINNER:.

Both sites offer Instant eCheck, Cash Transfer and Click2Pay methods of deposit. For withdrawal on Full Tilt, they can issue a premium bank wire, bank transfer or a paper check which is guaranteed to arrive within 15 days.

PokerStars players can withdrawal via paper check or receive a special circumstance wire transfer if requested through customer service large amounts only. ROUND 7 WINNER:. ROUND 8 VIP Program. PokerStars has one of the better VIP programs for regular players. As you accumulate VIP points, your VIP level goes up which includes a FPP multiplier for more spendable FPP points.

These points can be used for items in the store, tournament entries or cash bonuses. At Full Tilt Poker there's the Iron Man promotion which awards points for daily grinding which turn into medals. These medals can be used for cash bonuses or items in the special store but carry a lot less value than FPPs at PokerStars.

However, Full Tilt has "Full Tilt Points" which can be used to buy into tournaments or items from the store no cash though. ROUND 8 WINNER:.

ROUND 9 Support. There's no comparison here at all as PokerStars receives some of the best marks for customer service in the industry. Full Tilt Poker, on the other side of the coin, receives some of the worst.

It's unfortunate that both sites only offer e-mail as a method for contacting customer support no chat or phone. Nevertheless, PokerStars returns customer support emails very quickly sometimes in as little as an hour while Full Tilt Poker is a roll of the dice and can be a matter of hours to days.

ROUND 9 WINNER:. PokerStars VS Full Tilt Poker WHO WINS? The good news is that you really can't go wrong here with either site. They were the the only site that could genuinely rival PokerStars.

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